the international space station in lower earth orbit. it is a bizarre retreat of american power and technology and advancement and to hear that the very people who we have been, you know, so concerned about, ie, iranians, are seemingly carrying out an aggressive space policy through missiles, certainly, that the military program, is stunning, and the message to the rest of the emerging world. >> where's the united states? every metric you measure education, united states is not number one, math, science, engineering, any of these, we are not. we are not in the top ten in most. there's a whole perception. to me, it's similar to the united states in the late 1980s a that we're on the decline. we're a civilization whose days is past. i don't think that's the true case, but as you pointed out, perceptions matter a lot, and that's the perception. lou: is there a perception, as well, that governor romney can change it? >> well, i hope so. lou: that could be his political fortune and the fate of the nature. >> i wish he'd learn how to talk to women. if he could say, do you have any college age kids?